The Light, Love and Peace of Islam
(Transcription of a TV Interview
of Shaykh Fadhlalla, Broadcast in Canada in 1991)
The meaning of Islam and
Muslim
Q: I wonder if you could
begin by giving us the definition of the words Islam and Muslim, for
those of us who do not know the meaning of these words?
The Arabic language is
one of those unusual languages that can communicate things which are
not easily communicable. It is not unlike Aramaic or Sanskrit and
the root of most terms are made up of three letter clusters, and
whoever takes up Arabic for spiritual awakening or enlightenment or
for the unfathomable in the Qur`an, will find an incredible delight
in its discovery. The word Islam usually is thought to have
originated from the three letters: "sin,
lam, mim",
from "salama";
which means to be at peace, to be saved, to be wholesome, to be in a
state of tranquil submission, acceptable submissiveness. It is the
path of ease and of integration; it is the path of submission to
reality because we are part of that reality, we are not separate
from it. It is the way from time immemorial; it is not something
that occurred some 1400 years ago. It is the "din",
it is the only way to be, which has been expounded by every prophet,
messenger and sage. It is how to integrate into physical beingness,
visible beingness, and the invisible, because we have emanated from
it. It means to know in order to unify with the occurrence as we
experience it and as we interact with it.
The outer courtesy of it
is to have every creation safe for Muslims who practice Islam to
interact with the rest of creation courteously, harmoniously,
joyfully, correctly, with barriers, not accepting transgression. It
is not that everything is alright outwardly, everything is not
alright outwardly, if I transgress, there must be containment and
those containments are only in order to have nature and natural
situations to take care of themselves for us not to transgress.
One Unitive Source
Q: You speak of the law,
of opposites and complementarity. Would you elaborate on this law?
It is basically based on
faith and trust that there is one source, one essence from which
every visible and invisible creation has emanated. One essence which
is beyond time and space, which encompasses experiential time and
space and from that unitive source which is God, which is the divine
essence, Allah. This passage in time and the realization of the
other dimensions, such as space, begin to occur and in it all
creational, visible and invisible realities have come about. They
are all encompassed in that unitive totality. It is for that reason
that we, even in our day-to-day existential experience, want to
relate, interact, connect, and understand. Understanding is in fact
a manifestation of the adoration of the unitive factor. We want to
inter-link. The fact that we do not understand is a deterrent; it is
something we do not like, which means that what we like is that
which connects, understands, knows and relates. We do not like
disconnection, we like connection, and this is a proof of that
unitive force at play at all times.
Unity & Duality
Q: Regardless of our
differences of religion, nationality, race, political beliefs, as
people we have derived from one source and that there should be a
link and goodwill among human beings. What are your views on this
matter?
If there is any
deprivation or any negligence on that unitive awakening it is
because of our own lack of evolvement. In life we experience every
physical or sensual situation as one of two. Anything that
manifests, or has come about, been born or brought about, created in
time and space is one of two forces. There is always duality: man -
woman, day - night, good - bad, healthy - unhealthy, breathing in -
breathing out, sleep - awake, generous - mean; whether it is values
or physical matters, such as hard - soft and so on. Whatever
manifests itself is one of two opposites, and we constantly seek a
balance, constantly seek to be in the middle, whether it is in
health or wealth. We constantly want to be in equilibrium.
Therefore, outwardly there is a struggle, which is unavoidable and
yet inwardly we seek peace, tranquility, calmness, love, serenity,
centrality -- what we call beingness. We all, as human beings, are
inadvertently caught in what appears to be a contradiction and
outwardly we are subjected to these opposites, and yet inwardly we
seek a state that transcends these opposites. In your question you
say there are differences in religions; there are no differences if
they have emanated from the same source. If they are
pseudo-religions or manmade religions or manmade laws, then it is
something else. If they have emanated from that same original
unitive source, then there are no differences in religions. There
can be differences between religiosity and religious people, but it
is we who create those differences, either because of cultural,
historical or linguistic differences. As you know, even now, if what
we are speaking about translated or related by a third party it is
bound to be, even with the best of will, somewhat changed, not
necessarily completely distorted or relayed with different emphasis,
but especially if that third party comes from a different culture
and language, from a language that was not a prophetically revealed
one and therefore not a transmittive teaching.
Differences were to do
with the presence of that prophetic being, they were not factually,
describable, physical events; they were transformative realities. A
being like the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) whose heart was
beyond time and space and who functioned amongst people, to help
them evolve to that inner reality is not something you and I can
imbibe from a book or from a film made on him.
One God, Prophets and
Religion
Q: Shaykh Fadhlalla, you
brought up a very interesting point, that there is only one God and
therefore only one religion and the praise of that one God, and yet
we find religions such as Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam,
these are major world religions. Why would God reveal these various
religions? And how can a person choose among them?
There are no various
religions. They are manifestations from the same source, they are
revealed knowledges by these incredible beings, these 'transformers
of man' called prophets and messengers. And incidentally, in Islam
we are told that there were 124,000 of them, so we believe that
there has been on occasions hundreds and hundreds of messengers in
one locality. It is these beings who awaken to that inner reality
that there is one source that has created all this and that
everything is returning to that source and it is sustained by that
one source, and the purpose of creation is none other than to adore,
or worship, or to know that source which is based on love and
abandonment into it. Each and every culture, tribe and civilization
had access to this sort of event.
Most of these
civilizations and cultures had a prophet or a messenger or an
awakened being. Now, the differences are amongst the people, amongst
the interpretations; there will be no difference between these
prophets; they will all be together having a wonderful time and
acknowledging the one source that they are plugged into within
themselves, but it is the people around them who will create the
misinterpretations. It is because of the club-syndrome and the
insecurity of man that we feel more secure with a certain backdrop,
language, culture, diet or whatever.
The Qur`an
Q: You mentioned that
there are certain Arabic words that convey meaning that is difficult
to convey when it is translated into another language.
Professor Stokes, one of your students, mentioned that he was
studying Arabic so that he could appreciate the Qur`an better. I
have read a translation of the Qur`an. Can the person who reads the
Qur`an in translation really get as much out of it, or do you have
to read it in the original?
There are, of course,
degrees of how much we can get out of the Qur`an. The Qur`an is the
book of knowledge, and the book of knowledge essentially also exist
in the heart of the seeker of knowledge. The other side of the coin,
the microcosmic aspect of the Qur`an is in the human heart. Allah
says,
"That the heavens
and the earth do not contain me, but the heart of he who has faith
in me contains me."
The Qur`an is Allah's word, so potentially we contain it, but the
extent of that unveiling is dependent upon the extent of our ability
to have that pure approach and the linguistic openings, so to speak.
There are various degrees of good and bad translations, but if one
wants to really see the mosaic, the transmittiveness of the
terms and of some of the sentences, then we have to go to the Arabic
of that time, not necessarily the Arabic that is spoken nowadays. A
lot of the terms that are in the Qur`an are now found in ordinary
Arabic language and they are distorted, they do not mean exactly the
same thing. In order to have that infinite vista we must go to the
original Arabic, and it is not that difficult. It is not a difficult
language, if one approaches it from this angle.
Allah
Q: One of the great
sayings that has impressed itself upon me, is from the Qur`an,
wherein Allah says,
"I am closer to
you than your jugular vein."
Does that mean that Allah is always with us?
In fact Islam is founded
on the proclamation that there is no reality except Allah. There is
no possibility except by Allah and from Allah and unto Allah. It
says in the Qur`an:
"Wherever you
turn is the face of Allah."
Whatever has manifested has occurred from Allah. Abandonment of
other than Allah is submission, that is being in Islam. It is the
realization that there can not be otherness, the otherness is only
shadow-plays of the oneness, that encompasses this apparent dual
otherness. So, where is it that Allah is not? Elsewhere in the
Qur`an it says:
"Oh man, you
are striving and no matter what you are striving for, it is in the
way of Allah."
But the difference is, do I know it, or am I clumsily just
stumbling, am I on the way consciously or am I just stumbling in my
whims and in my imagination and fantasies? This is the difference.
Oneness of Mankind
Q: As you are aware,
Shaykh Fadhlalla, Jesus said that all the laws and the Prophets can
be boiled down to two. To love God with your whole heart, whole
soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself. Is this also a teaching
in Islam?
In fact, one definition
of a Muslim is that he will not sleep the night if there is one
person who has not had enough supper that night in that town. He is
not a Muslim if he sleeps the night in comfort and knowing that
there is one person anywhere within that city who has not had enough
to eat. The Qur`an says:
"He who kills
one person has killed the entire creation, and he who brings back to
life or enlivens or awakens or helps to bring light to the heart of
one person is as though he has brought into life the entire
creation."
Allah says in the Qur`an:
"I created from
one self".
There is one macro-self and we are the micro-selves. Each one of us
is a microcosm, we reflect the entire cosmos. If you do not respect
the image of this microcosm in your neighbor and friend then you
have no respect for the source of it.
History of Islam
Q: In the early history
of Islam the Muslims achieved a great civilization. What are the
differences between Islam then and now? And why do Muslims worldwide
suffer from a bad image today?
If you look back
historically at the time of the advent of the Prophet Mohammed
(Peace and Mercy be upon him) about 1400 odd years ago, there was
such darkness in the world and Christianity as it was known
especially in that part of the world, in the Middle-East, had fallen
into a considerable disarray and decadence, and so were most other
religions in that part of the world. Also, there was no revealed
Prophet to the Arabs, as such, at the time of this occurrence, so
this light emanating through this person, was a reminder of the
Creator and the reminder that man has to fulfill the purpose of
creation. Islam in a sense spread out so quickly, filling that void,
within a matter of seventy years. If you recall history, it spread
almost for a distance of more than 5000 km and it went all the way
to Andalusia, or to Spain, and all the way to the East to the doors
of China within a very short period of time. It was a timely factor
since there was much darkness, and this effulgent light of being
with God and behaving as befit human beings filled that void and
people embraced it, and were reminded of their own cultures that
became decadent and so on. The Christians in North Africa who were
all Unitarians, simply found this to be the same that they believed
in and that was all, there was no discord. Islam never spread by the
sword. Some kings and rulers did use the sword in order to expand
territories and kingdoms, but you can not force people to have faith
in a unitive oneness in which they have already emerged but yet not
merged with. This was the event in early Islam; it was
transformative, if you had trust in Allah, trusting that you will
get what you need at the time you need it, rather than constantly
speculating about the future and fearing about provisions over the
unknown. There was real trust and that created, if you like, higher
quality of human beingness among these people, and as a result the
world also succumbed to them. But soon after that, like most
cyclical events, people became more and more dependent upon the
paraphernalia that physically surrounds them and the craziness of
day to day life, so they forgot the purpose of existence is to adore
and sing this eternal song that reality and it encompasses us and we
are kings and kingdoms and the usual human jealousy, greed and other
lower aspects of man. If we are not always careful, the lower
aspects overcome the higher aspects. If we do not remind ourselves
of the need for generosity and sharing, we end up being very selfish
and very insular. So this is what happened over a period of five to
six hundred years; after this effulgent light, you find the disarray
amongst Muslim kings. Decadence and corruption began to set in, and
it is from that era onward that we need to distinguish between
Muslims and Islam.
Historically you can say
that the first seven hundred years were the spread of this light,
and the next seven hundred years its shrinkage and its being
translated into a cultural or a religious way of behavior, rather
than a "din"
-- the transaction between Allah, the Bestower and the indebted man.
Islam is not a religion, it is a way of being. It is a debt to pay
upon ourselves by ourselves to regain our higher selves.
Spiritual Revival
Q: Do you see a
renaissance in Islam today? Is there a reaching out for perhaps a
return to some of the great times of the religion in the past?
I can only use the
foundation of Qur`an to answer that question. The Qur`an does not
tell us that this way, this unitive awakening, what we call Islam
began 1400 years ago. It calls the first Adamic awakening, the
prophet Adam, it calls him a Muslim. The Qur`an refers to all the
prophets and messengers as being in Islam, so it is not something
that began 1400 years ago. The prophet Mohammed was the last of the
great prophets, the last and the seal of Prophethood. He did not
invent Islam, it did not start in Arabia, it culminated in Arabia.
We consider all prophets and all religions are Islamic and therefore
we also believe that the need of spiritual awakening will
continuously occur as long as there is humankind on this earth.
There will always be
resurgence whenever there is increased materialism, decadence or
other forms of oppression in life. The spirit within man will not
accept it as a total way of life, and will rebel or want to have its
nourishment. And spiritual nourishment is spiritual revival. The
answer to your question is yes, but not in the conventional sense
that the "Muslims" will prevail, that is not the issue. The last
fifty or sixty years we have given a great deal of emphasis for
material well-being. And material well-being is a necessary
condition, but it is not sufficient. The antidote or its equivalent
is spiritual well-being. The yearning for inner awakening and inner
light is certainly increasing, so there is a renaissance and
awakening of Islam, no doubt about it.
Q: Shaykh Fadhlalla you
speak of re-awakening of the spirit and improvement in that area,
but in our society, and this is perhaps worldwide, there are many
technological advances and there is growth and knowledge, yet at the
same time there seems to be no corresponding growth in moral and
ethical values. In fact, what I see, is that there is a rise in
crime and immorality and godlessness, and this seems to reflect a
decline. Could you comment on that situation?
I am sure you are right.
It is also becoming universal, because the world is so much closer
nowadays than it was in the past. I consider these times as the
darkness of the night before dawn. I think we have given excessive
attention to the outer technological advancement and outer
emancipation from the physical limitations, and we have not given
enough attention to the inner potentialities and the inner qualities
within man. We have basically created a situation in our
civilizations, nowadays, of total discontent: the individual is
discontent, the family is discontent, the society is discontent, the
nation and the world is discontent. That has a lot to do with
consumption, consumerism, excess and this headlong competitive
aggressive way to acquisition of the outer. We have been, so to
speak, wrongly educated and diverted from the balanced way. We all
are subjected to physical limitations, we need to be fed, clothed
and sheltered, but we have made that as our ultimate objective
rather than inner fulfillment and inner awakening. That is why we
all now have to be entertained. Horizontally we are mobile; we are
roaming around the world but there is no vertical mobility; we can
not go inward, because in a way our inward is dark and has not been
developed. We need the inward development along with the outer
development, but it has gone out of balance. I trust in nature, I
trust in the creator of nature, I trust in God that it will revert.
But it could be after catastrophes; it may not revert in a very easy
or in any smooth way, it may be after certain major jerks. This is
because we have made our god the materialistic, technological,
economical monetarist growth, as though there is no end to that.
Obviously the poorer are suffering more and the so-called rich
countries are becoming outwardly richer but inwardly poorer. It is
only that I trust in the natural balance of events in the world that
I think it will revert; I do not have a great deal of outer evidence
to show you. In fact, the evidences are as you say.
Finding True Happiness
Q: There seems to be a
spirit of acquisition that is perhaps fostered today by the media,
particularly television, where, as you have mentioned, people are
becoming more and more acquisitive, and they believe that through
acquiring material goods there will be a happiness, and yet there is
a great unhappiness. What are some of the things that people can do
to achieve happiness, beyond mere acquisition of material goods?
It is a process of
displacement. We all want to have pleasure, we all want to have joy,
we all want to have satisfaction, but once we assume that
satisfaction is based on acquiring something or is based on a desire
that will be fulfilled then it is a never-ending process, because
our never-ending permutations of desires and possibilities of outer
acquisitions, there is no end to outer possibilities of stimulation.
This is why we are, in a way, falling over ourselves with quick
demands, desires and neutralization of that desire. Instant
gratification, because it makes us feel better but it is only a
false feeling, it is an emotion, it is a concept that has no
reality. Our reality is based on inner tranquility and contentment,
we are by nature content. That is why we love contentment, but we
have made each other discontent by agitating our minds and creating
all these concepts, artificial needs and anxieties. We are running
to satisfy one desire after another which are all self, society or
market induced. So, we have been caught in that artificial, false
elusive illusion process that we are alive and we are living because
it is all based on identifying with an outer 'thing'. We are not a
'thing', we are a being! We need certain things but we are now
caught in that wheel of continuous outer entertainment and no inner
attainment. No doubt, the attempt of all prophets, messengers, and
all the religions converge into this very point that through faith
and trust in the unknown, in God or Allah who permeates and who
engulfs the known, through that genuine, sincere trust we will come
to see how our visible world is only a tiny fraction of that total
invisible reality. From those few little insights and windows to the
unknown we will begin to taste the art or technology of inner
gratification, awareness or awakening. This is the root of gnosis.
Unless we sublimate, and begin to displace the outer gratification
with inner awakening we will continuously be caught in this dual,
destructive and non ending state of greed, acquisition and total
materialistic disaster.
Q: There are spiritual
teachings that say that this world is only a shadow of reality? Do
you hold this belief? Will you please elaborate on it?
Reality encompasses all
possible, visible, measurable, non-measurable, experience-able
realities. What we are accustomed to in this body and in this world,
during this short lifetime, are the realities that we interact with
and interrelate to with our senses. So, there are the physical laws
of nature, the interactional laws of human beings, and also my own
observation of my inner self, these are realities. There is an
individual situation within me, there is also a sociological
inter-relationship between me and my neighbors and society. There is
also the outer physical world, which we are part of, and not away
from, we are part of this total, physical passage in time, caught in
a biological riddle, so this is where we are, and if we get to grips
with this unitive reality then we find it is a platform from which
we will occasionally be allowed to peek into the unknown, it is like
being on the tip of the iceberg, the rest is submerged, but if we
have not mastered the nature of what is visible and available to us
it will be unnatural and not just for us to be able to see the
unknown. People would dabble into magic, supernatural or try to gain
power through illicit or semi-illicit means to that unknown. The
natural ways for us is to master the nature of time, before we can
talk about non-time. What is the nature of reality right now, before
we can talk about reality beyond time and space. There is a courtesy
to all of this. As the Qur`an says:
"Enter the
houses from their doors."
We can not be thieves coming through the windows. There is an order
to things. If we are unclean outwardly, how can we talk about
purification of the heart. If we are used to destructive ways of
thinking, how can we have clear positive thoughts. We have to put
our house in order from the outset. We have to begin where charity
has to begin, which is with 'me', to put 'me' in order. Find out
about our spectrum of totality, from one end of meanness to the
other end of generosity. We must understand these things in
ourselves.
Q: In your book [The
Journey of the Self] you mention the purification of the heart,
quite extensively, and you have done so just now. Can you expound on
how a person would go about to seek the purification of the heart
and perhaps relate it to the teachings of Islam.
Within the Islamic
traditions we have a fairly workable model for the human psyche as
to what is soul, spirit, and what is mind or "aql", heart or "qalb",
and what is a whim. Basically we believe that the Islamic and all
other religions are based on the same model which is that the spirit
is from beyond our comprehension, from the unknown and the unseen,
it is from God. Once that spark interacts with matter from it arises
this ultimate complex thing called the self, the soul. So the soul
is an individualistic thing which we chisel and carve on in our
lifetime as a result of interacting in the outer world through the
mind and the intellect. The heart remains the vehicle of
interconnection or connection to the unknown, whereas the mind and
the intellect is to do with duality, analysis and with causality,
i.e. cause and effect. This is what that instrument or vehicle is
for. The heart is to be "empty", that is of anger, hatred, greed or
envy, it is like a mirror, if it is tarnished it will not reflect
reality. It is to be present, it is to be all available now, not
tarnished by the past events or disturbed or concerned about the
future events, therefore it is to do with beingness, pure simple
beingness. The mind and the intellect have within them the network
of experiences and relationships through the senses as we function
in the outer physical world. The inner has its technology which is
to be completely and utterly emptied out. Unless we are able to
empty out, to learn the art of being inwardly clean, we are in
"shirk" -- in idolatry or polytheism. The opposite of that situation
is the "nafs", the ego and the arrogant self that wants to be
acknowledged, rule and wants to be totally dominating in this world.
The secret of that is because there is a dominator of the entire
creation beaming in our heart. Allah is in control of everything. If
we connect to Him then in time He shapes our control, Allah is
already in control and He is the "Al-Qahhar" -- 'The Subduer' or the
Supreme and "Al-Jabbar" -- the Irresistible or 'The Compeller'. If we
do not connect with Allah we may be perverted in simply feeding our
ego and our lower self. We have to protect our inner condition so
that it can be instantaneously purified, as the Qur`an describe:
"your enemy appear as your friend". Somebody was your enemy one
minute ago, suddenly the situation changes and now you love him and
he loves you. Finished! You do not constantly remember three years
ago, the 2nd of August four o'clock in the afternoon, he was nasty
to me, and I have written it in my diary and every day I look at it
my heart is nothing other than poison. Nobody with the right mind or
condition wants to have the heart full of poison and puss. We all
want to have good opinions, of other people, we want to trust, love
and we want to be loved. We talked earlier of love for your neighbor even if your
neighbor is a person who is not of such a
high desirable character but to have compassion for him or her and
to know that he or she also has the possibility of evolving, and
making their heart empty. It does not mean that your mind is not
recognizing that they are rascals or they are abusers in some form
or another, or that they are ecologically not well behaved. You
discriminate, but your heart is available immediately to turn
towards love, compassion and toward magnanimity. Let us go back to
the inner technology. The heart is to be empty and the mind full.
Nowadays we often find the reverse, people's hearts are full of
idols and their heads are empty.
After-Life in Islam
Q: In mentioning the soul and the development of the soul, it is
obvious that you believe that the soul persists
when the body is gone. In Islam is there belief in an after-life? In
a reward for a correct and good life that is lived here on earth and
the development of the soul during that life?
Like all other religions before it, in Islam the belief is that this
existence on the physical domain is only a prelude to another phase.
The same way as before this existence there was the phase of in the
womb. From the point of conception we are in a field of interspace.
We are physically there but not aware of the physicality of the
world. Then we are born into this world which is like a kindergarten
and here we have got limited possibilities of behavior. We can
elevate ourselves, or we can devalue and lower ourselves. We have
those choices. God has, in a sense, given us a certain amount of
leeway. We can elevate ourselves to a point according to the Qur`an,
above the angels. The angelic powers and forces that are unknown and
unseen by our senses or we can sink to lower than brute animals. We
encompass the entire spectrum, within ourselves, within this soul;
it depends which one of them we are getting tuned to. If you like,
it is like a radio. If we get ourselves constantly tuned to the
higher, then we end up being the higher beings which we deserve to
be. If, on the other hand, we choose lower then we are lower. During
this life, it is like the university for us to practice this art of
elevating ourselves according to our potential and after the release
of the body which belongs to the earth, it is only a borrowed
vehicle, the soul, carries on its journey to another interspace of
the grave, until the world comes to an end. When physical creation
comes to an end, we enter into a phase of non-time, non-space, so to
speak; and this is the meaning of the hereafter or the after-life.
We are, according to the Qur`an, allowed to have a pre-taste of that
condition of leaving the body, and that is why the practices, the
inner practices of Islam, the worship and the adoration and the
meditation and all of the other practices are to focus us to that
single-pointed-ness that will lead possibly to that awakening of
gnosis which is a taste of death, which we recognize by it that
death is nothing other than release of the soul. So it is an
experiential situation, not something that is based on a dogma or a
blind belief. We believe in that by that faith we will come to know it
for certainty. We will have utter certainty that this is a short
journey and that it is a takeoff point.
Islam & Science
Q: Shaykh Fadhlalla, you say that why
the Universe was created lies beyond the grasp of Science.
What is the Islamic viewpoint on the creation of the Universe?
Science is basically based on observation, and on fact finding and
on authenticating these facts by
repetition and by experimentation. Science is a causal thing, it is
to do with cause and effect. Creation according to our faith is as
Allah says to the Prophet Mohammed:
"I was a hidden treasure, and I
loved to be known, and therefore I created." The foundation of it
all is based on love and it is to be known; so it is the Creator who
loves to unveil himself to His creation. There can not be a greater
gift than that unveiling. The ultimate gift or purpose of creation
is gnosis, to know that which is the only effulgent thing. It is not
to know some "thing", that is necessary, that is science. The eye and
the senses that are trained or we use in order to interrelate, to
count and to measure are based, and are functioning, because of that
inner thing within them, the inner power within them, therefore they
will never be able to know the root or the essence of that power
which is empowering them. Therefore, science or technology will
never have access to the root or the source of its eminence -- where
it came from.
Creation
Q: What you say is beautiful and it is very much in keeping with
modern science. I was reading recently a
book by Steven Hawking in which, of course, there is the theory of
the "Big Bang" which originated about
fifteen billion years ago in a sudden explosion. They can get to the
very precise billionth of a billionth of
a billionth of a second, but they do not know what was beyond that
point; and even that theory of course has
been questioned, as to whether there was really in a sense a
beginning, or whether it always existed.
Well, going back to the earlier question you mentioned about next
life. We can have a taste of that by arrival at the point of total
utter stillness. All attempts, in fact every endeavor within
mankind's efforts in this world is to have that utter point of
indescribable, inner, unfathomable silence, and that is the locus of
the beginning of creation or the end of the creation, because it is
the same. Either this way, or that way, it is time and space, it is
a curve. So, we have access experientially not experimentally. Our
mind and intellect, analyses and observations can only take us that
far, beyond which we must take a jump without a parachute. That is
called the art of submission or that is where we really need faith,
to simply be. We have all been taught now to become, and that is
science, but we have lost in a way, in the recesses of our hearts,
to be. It is sub-genetically imprinted in us to be, and that is where
we take ourselves, to the point of the start of the visible movement
of creation after the stillness.
Q: In Genesis in the Bible which you accept of course, it states
that God says, "Let there be Light", and I know that has several
meanings. Light, which is the beginning of all life in the Universe.
But you mentioned earlier on, in our conversation, that something
has no light. I know that word has a special meaning for you. Can
you elaborate on the word Light?
By that I meant "no transmission", it is outer information. It was
actually referring to music. There is music that is fine,
entertaining and sweeps you along. There is also furniture music
which is played in hotel lobbies; then there is a sound, or a
composition or a harmony that awakens in us certain inner recesses
that are almost at the edge of time and space. They have a
transformative element. There are certain symphonies, other music,
certain creations and artistic work that have almost taken that
inspiration to the point beyond human possibilities, and this is
what we all strive for. We want transformation. Information is only
useful in existential matters, but information when it comes to
matter of awakening, gnosis or self-knowledge is only useful if it
is going to transform me. We are all seeking ultimately
transformation and that is what we want. When there is "no light",
there is no transformation. Then it does not ignite or enlighten
that other part in us that we yearn for it to be enlivened. It does
not turn on that channel in us which we call the inner spiritual
high, which is our reality and the essence. And if we do not nourish
that and nurture that happiness may elude us.
Light & Joy
Q: Should we then seek out experiences that will bring light to our
lives and try to avoid, as much as possible, those that really put
us in darkness?
No doubt! We naturally do that in our life though; observe how the
child progresses. To begin with a child is only concerned with
causal events. The joy of seeing the laws of physics and gravity and
desires and how to satisfy desires, until we grow older. Then we
begin to develop insight, wisdom develops, the windows to that inner
light, until we begin to discover that real joy, ultimately has its
source within ourselves. Joy does not come from outside. It is we
who create a certain need or desire and a gap from inside which we
satisfy from the outside. This is only to bring about equilibrium
out of a need. We create that.
God Creates Light
Q: Can religion create light in our lives? And how does Islam create
light?
It is Allah who creates light. God's purpose in creation is to
ignite his creation, and to enliven his creation. Each according to
his potential; for the animal kingdom according to the constraints
that they live with, to the human kind, to the ultimate, to know
reality; but that knowledge is experiential and that is the light.
It is God's business. Religion is only to contain us, only to enable
us to live within bounds that makes this possibility more available
for us. Prophets and Messengers only indicate God, it is us who have
to collapse ourselves into our inner divine godliness by
containment, by discrimination. The religious path is only to enable
us not to go for corruption and decadence and all that. Religion
does not bring about godliness. God brings about His knowledge to
whomever He wishes, as He wishes. The prophetically revealed
knowledge is simply that there is one Reality. That Reality
encompasses all creation, but we have to awaken to it by abandoning
to it, and then behaving ourselves by not getting corrupt or
corrupting others and safeguarding our body, giving the body what
it needs, not denying it, not accepting that the body is all what
there is.
Good & Evil
Q: Many people, religious and otherwise, often ask the question 'Why
does God permit evil?'
What would you reply to them?
There is a price to be paid for everything in our lives of
consciousness. It is the rise and fall of Adam, and before that,
creation; before the rise of consciousness, there was none other
than that placid inanimate or primal total ecological balance, no
discrimination between opposites. The rise of consciousness, the
rise of conceptualization of a desire with wanting of the apple
symbolizing that, with that rises duality. Duality implies good and
bad, healthy and unhealthy, it implies all of these opposites.
Within us there is a discriminative quality, we do not want ill
health, we do not like meanness, we do not like arrogance, we do not
cherish hate. There is within us that inner programming of orienting
towards the higher virtues. We know what is going to destroy us. We
are given that choice, in a way, to deal within these limitations.
God has created this spectrum and has given us this discriminative
capacity to work within that spectrum. In a sense we have a choice,
and yet we are programmed in essence to go towards that which
elevates us towards that inner happiness, an inner state which we
all yearn for. God has given us a limited license. There is a
limitation in that freedom, but we are free to choose.
Causes of Evil
Q: In the world we find many things that we consider to be evil,
among them are hunger, crime, suffering, disease and poverty. What
is your view of the cause and the function of evil in our lives?
Part of the philosophy is that we want to be happy, we do not want
to be under the oppression of poverty, or of anxiety of today's
supper. This is what God wants. Allah does not want us to be in
misery and in desperation, that is why we strive towards
understanding, how we can overcome these miseries. But, what happens
is that we take this reality and conceptualize it into fear of
poverty, therefore we hoard things and are greedy, and excessive,
until everyone of us needs to have a garage sale once a month
because we are kicking ourselves out of the house from
over accumulation. Nobody wants misery, stress or distress, but at
the same time we have a certain urge to interact with nature, we
have been given that facility of the intellect to interact with
nature in order to learn this incredible, fantastic ecological
equilibrium and inter-connectedness. So, we realize that we are part
and parcel of a total physical reality, and yet we have emanated
from a non-physical origin. We have a need, so to speak, which can
easily be fulfilled, if we set about it in a manner that is
conducive for the whole of humanity, not some part of humanity at
the expense of others, and ecologically disturb the world by
displacement of resources from south to north and north to south.
This is major upheaval, this is not what is meant, therefore,
neither the north is happy, nor the south is happy, the whole of
humanity is suffering from our excessive disturbance.
The Meaning of Suffering
Q: All of us in our lives will experience suffering at some time or
other, we all face it, and you say that this could be considered to
be a positive experience.
No doubt. Allah says in the
Qur`an:
"I have written upon myself
Mercy", that means mercy encompasses every situation and every
experience. I regard suffering as the barriers that will bring us
back to the middle path or to the main road. If the barrier is not
there we will go down to the valley, and end up totally destroyed.
So, that suffering, that screeching, and that pain of not realizing
our desires, is a reminder of who told us to have those desires, and
is that a real desire, or is it a fancy one, or is it a real need.
We are all suffering to a great extent from our projections and from
our conceptualizations rather than the reality of the now. We suffer
from an imaginary lack that we have put in ourselves and into our
own minds or hearts. Suffering, most of the time is illusionary, and
it is subjective, and therefore it is not real.
Q: How can we overcome that feeling of suffering, pain, anxiety and
grief that we all go through?
By suffering. Nobody wants to suffer and we learn to stop it.
Overcoming Greed
Q: When you consider the ridiculousness of the situation where you
have people all wanting happiness but they are fighting one another
and pulling down someone else and robbing from someone, taking their
land. This seems to be all against all religious principles, no
matter what religion, and yet this type of acquisitiveness seems to
persist in the world.
We have made our culture
a culture of acquisition, a culture of progressive competition and
aggression. Nowadays, if you describe somebody as being likely to
succeed, you would say he is ambitious, competitive, aggressive and
all that. We have been enhancing or trying to build up that aspect
of our character that will bring about this doom, rather than cooperativeness, generosity, sharing
and caring, and that is why we have now to re-balance that by
bringing about a general care for our environment, for our
neighbors, society and for mankind. That is why I say there has to
be a spiritual revival, otherwise we are going to destroy ourselves,
because we have taken it to such an extent that everyone of us has
ended up as a totally separated individual. Me, and me, and me,
rather than realizing the "me" is in every being and therefore
taking what is necessary for me and enhancing the faith in me that
the future will be all right if we collectively move towards that
goal. But if we are all individuals, and if we are enhancing to
simply care for our own personal individuality and fortune then we
will all end up in misfortune.
Compassion & Generosity
Q: The beautiful thought that you expressed earlier, that really has
impressed itself upon me, is the Islamic idea that if there is any
one person who is suffering in the world then you can not be happy
as a Muslim. This is, I think, a very great thought that many people
do not really associate with Islam.
Well, I am afraid it is because of the
behavior of many Muslims,
the same thing applies to the behavior of many so called
Christians. Where is there that there is no problem? It has become a
religion instead of a way of life or of beingness, and therefore to
a certain extent you will find some Muslims, in fact, are barriers
to the discovery of Islam by the rest of the world. Not every Muslim
is in Islam, they are two separate things. Not every person who
has an Islamic name is adhering to that faith and living it. A
Muslim is somebody like myself who has inherited a name, a bit of
reading and also accidentally knows Arabic. It often causes
arrogance, assumptions which in themselves are the barriers. Islam
is the way of beingness, it is the way of arrival, the way of Allah
and the way of "Rasoolullah", the prophet of God. It is not an
ethnic, Arabic or a Middle Eastern preserve. It is a prophetically
revealed knowledge that fits mankind which has come at a time of
ease of communication. It is easy to identify its authenticity
because it is revealed in a language which is still current and the
conduct of the Prophet and those closest to him is also known to us.
But, the majority of Muslims or Muslim leaders do not adhere to it
and therefore they are the barriers.
Q: How can Islam help us?
By constant reminders. The word for prayer is in Islam "salat" and salat in the origin of the language means to straighten a green twig
of branch on a fire. In a sense it is like an analogy of the human
being. We all have a tendency to be bent, not to be straight, but
with faith and abandonment we straighten.
Salat is to be plugged in
to that condition, and to be willing to let go at any minute. The
Qur`an describes those who are in that state of awareness, that they
are the ones who are perpetually in that natural state of awareness
of reality. If you are in that state of awareness, then suffering is
minimized. Suffering may still be on a physical level, which is a
reminder that now I have stepped on a thorn, and it is a deterrent,
it is a healthy natural sign. If I do not have that sensation then I
am very, very sick indeed.
Islamic Guidelines & Practices
Q: I observed in my limited experience with some Muslims, that it is
their practice, never to question the motives of Allah or God. Is
this a fact?
Muslims are inspired by the prophetic teaching never to discuss
Allah, that which can never be known in its entirety. Instead, to
discuss the attributes of God and God's creation, to wonder about
nature and learn about everything. How can we talk about Allah who
already encompasses everything? How can you question that which
itself brings about the source of questioning? We must question:
What are we doing? Why are we doing it? We must question our
intentions and the results of our actions. We must question our
interaction with nature, with each other, and with oneself. All of
this is subject to question, but Allah who has created the
possibility and the energy that causes that question is beyond
questioning. Many Muslims seem to mix up things because their
intellect, scientific knowledge, causality, or rationality is not
sufficiently developed, we say it is to do with Allah. It is not so.
Trust in Allah
Q: I always find that when a Muslim says Allah, it is with great
love and respect, whereas I have an interest in studying religions
and I notice that in some other religions people will say "God, why
did you impose that burden upon me? Why must I suffer this?", questioning the motives, and that has inspired a great
respect in me for Islam.
Basically it has to do with faith and that whatever has happened has
its reasons, some understandable some not, but the fact that it has
happened, a Muslim resolves that it must be real because it has
happened. Half of it may be because of my ignorance and the other
half because I was not aware of what was going on in its sense of
cause and effect. Accepting what has happened in good faith will
enable me and give me an advantage to understand actually what was
the reason for its happening or that it was unavoidable. I was
aware, I did my best and yet that was it. For every experience there
are reasons, not all these reasons are fully understandable. In my
own experience I have often found that things I was aiming for were
not realized, and there may be a momentary disappointment, but if I
waited a bit I found that it was for my own good, and in retrospect
I am so grateful that what I aimed for did not happen. God is the
most generous and has mercy upon all situations, but it is my
ignorance of the situation and my own state, with regard to that
situation, that causes this so called friction or disappointment. We
have faith in that whatever has happened, if we are worthy of
understanding it, then we know it is to our benefit. We turn
whatever negative situation into potential growth and positive-ness.
Salat or Prayers
Q: That leads me to ask another question and that is the practice of
praying. Muslims pray five times a day. What is the nature of the
prayers of Muslims?
Basically again, we start from the point of duality, and the point
of physical separateness which we are in, and by pointing to a
symbolic centre which is the house of God, towards which we face in
our prayers. There is no place that God does not dwell in, but this
is the symbolic place where the prophet Abraham built in order for
people to point towards or come to and adore their Lord. In a space
where there is no outer distraction, almost in the middle of a
desert, with hardly any vegetation or any other growth, so you would
go there only for the purpose of practicing beingness. The start of
'salat', or prayers, is to point towards that symbolic pure house of
God and then there is a dialogue.
By standing up you praise that reality, and then after that you are
struck by its magnificence, you prostrate, and then you go down to
obliterate, in a way, all your senses and abandon into it, the most
precious faculties you have on the face and to completely obliterate
that profile into its nothingness, and therefore into your
beingness, so to speak. Then you again sit up from that prostration
to observe duality, to know there is also the so called me. It is a
practice of diving into the inner, unfathomable, non-experience-able
dimension and yet acknowledging the fact that you and the soul still
exist. All of this happen when you have abandoned the mind and
thoughts, and to practice prayer you do ablution, the ritualistic
cleansing that takes place before prayer; it is not to do with
cleaning, we are supposed to be clean anyway, but it is to seal the
senses and the limbs, so you are now sealed from outside
interferences and you are focused entirely into that state. That is
the meaning of
salat.
Islamic Rituals and the Hajj
Q: That is the most beautiful and clearest definition I have had of
the prayer of the Muslim. It is very, very beautiful. What is the
nature of Hajj?
All Islamic rituals, all religious rituals have inner meanings.
There is an outer practice, but there is an inner meaning, and these
inner meanings are all available. Likewise, with fasting, there is an
inner meaning to it. The heart is supposed to be our sanctum or our
"ka'ba", we go for "hajj", the pilgrimage and the "ka'ba"
is supposed to be empty with no idols in it, no inner secrets,
desires or attachments. One of our greatest masters Imam Ali says:
"To renounce the
world does not mean not to own anything, it means that nothing
should own you".
We can not renounce matter, our physical body is made of matter, but
it depends on our interrelationship with it. Does my car own me? Or
do I own the car? If the car is scratched, am I scratched? Or is it
yet an acquisition, a necessary acquisition? There is a problem, but
it is surmountable.
The Purpose of Prayer
Q: Just to keep on the topic of prayer. Does a Muslim ever pray to
Allah for something, to receive something. What you have mentioned
is the praise of Allah and also a realization of yourself in the
wonder of God, but does
a Muslim ever pray for some material goods?
Since Allah contains all realities, physical, non-physical,
observable, non-observable, and since we encompass the physical all
the way down to the inner sublime, and since we are all programmed
wanting equilibrium at all levels, we want physical equilibrium, we
want to be physically nurtured and satisfied, we want our mind also
to be in the right state. So we call upon that Reality throughout
this demand or need spectrum. We supplicate, we constantly call upon
that Reality to show us how we can improve our health, physical
situation, and the purification of our hearts. At all times we are
actually calling upon Allah to guide us to that beingness. Sometimes
it will be through means, a person, an environment, a teacher, and a
generous person, but we always envision that the manifestation of
the answer has emanated from the unseen into the seen; so therefore,
we thank Allah all the time, and also we thank the creation which
has helped us to that. The prophet says that if you do not thank
creation, you would not have thanked Allah. The prophet says that
creation is the family of God, and those of you who are most useful
to creation is most loved by God. It is an evolving movement, it is
a process of arrival.
Answers to Prayers
Q: So you do pray to Allah for guidance, for certain help, for
certain things that you desire. I have heard it said that, and I
know from my own experience, people who have prayed for a sick
child, someone who was dying and yet the person died, and the
parents were very disappointed, and they would say: "Why has God
taken that child from me? My prayers were not answered". What would
you say to such a parent?
The answer is actually based on what we perceive as the answer to
the prayer. It may be much better for the child to leave now than
say in a year's time, when he or she might have been in a far more
complex situation, or ending up having a child for twenty years who
is having to be sustained by all kinds of devices. We do not
necessarily understand God's mercy at all times. My business is to
expect the best, ask for the best, and do my best for the best. The
exact specific outcome may not be what I had envisioned, as I was
saying earlier, we conceptualize. We can ask God to give us the best
possibility, the best condition of heart, the best equilibrium or
the best possible health; but, if I have genetically inherited
certain deficiencies, that may be the base from which I will start.
God creates according to laws; it is not chaos, it is cosmos. As if
simply expecting God to stop the rain when there may be another
thousand people praying for rain. We do not know Gods ways; we have
to be sincere to our own ways, making that request with sincerity,
with the purest intention and doing our best for it. Results are not
in our hands. We do not know what is the nature of the next life.
That is ultimately where it will end up anyway. We can only seek the
best possible outcome in the sense of not being encumbered more than
we are in the physical body. We say our prayers for the child, the
neighbor, humanity, but if the majority of humanity decides to
continue doing what it does, we will end up being in the wilderness
as the prophet Moses was for forty odd years. He and his people
could not enter Jerusalem, even though he was a prophet of God, and
that is how it is. So many other prophets amongst their own people
went along with the situation knowing that it could not change
because of the nature of the people. There are laws, and you can not
transgress them.
Having Faith in God
Q: In other words you are saying that a person should never be
discouraged by the results, no matter how bad the results happen to
be in a particular situation.
Absolutely. The situation may appear to be bad at that moment, but
if we are sincere and our hearts are pure we will soon know that
what happened is for the best. Allah says in the Qur`an:
"With every
difficulty there is an ease. With the difficulty there is an ease."
It implies that with every one difficulty there are two eases. One
ease is that the difficulty will pass, whatever it may be, it will
pass, and at the end we will die anyway. Then He says that with the
difficulty there is also ease, if we understand the ecological
perfection of that occurrence. That understanding also brings about
ease. That is why we want to know: how did I become ill? Why did I
have that infection? And the answer will be either weakness, vitamin
deficiency, over exposure or increased stress. By that so called
analytical understanding, we are a bit eased, although the illness
is still there. The more we have an open heart the more we will know
what is happening is perfect, according to a balance, and we can not
go back in time, we can only go forward. As you say there is no
discouragement. Allah says in the Qur`an:
"Never ever feel sorry for
that which has passed, and never look with expectations about the
future." Have faith and a good opinion, have a positive outlook, but
do not conceptualize exactly how the future will turn out. By saying
at thirty-five, I will have this house, and that car; for by that
time you may have an ulcer, or the job has fallen through. There is
no way you can know these events exactly. The way of beingness, is
in the now, in the present, so all the energies are available,
therefore even the physical outcome is likely to be the best it can
be. It is as simple as that.
It is the only positive outlook that a human being can have, and
that is why we have no choice in that. Talking about the freedom of
no choice is this: We have no choice, but to be in that positive
state and be most efficient at it.
Social Responsibilities
Q: The Qur`an talks about man's outer code of social responsibility
and his path of inner purification. Would you give us the views of
the Islamic faith on the social responsibility that we have?
In our modern culture, in the West, we have the field of psychology,
sociology, and all the other so called sciences. In the field of
spiritual sciences we have similar sorts of division, the individual
and societal, and that individual reflects the societal prism. In
other words, our first responsibility is towards the discovery of
our own self, and we have repeated teachings and indications that
"He who knows himself knows his Lord". It is through the knowledge
of the self that we recognize this incredible reflection of other
realities, because we believe in the microcosm reflecting the
macrocosm. Whatever exists outside, that I can appreciate, or
understand, and comprehend, must have its origin within me;
otherwise I can not reflect it, or understand it. So my first
responsibility is towards my self. Who am I? Why am I here? What is
the meaning of death? Why am I heading towards this recycling of the
body after gaining all these experiences and wisdom and having
consumed so much of this world and caused so much havoc in it, what
is the meaning of it? Where is the justice in it?
If we understand the self, then a new process of compassion and
understanding and magnanimity will occur for the rest of humanity.
Allah says in the Qur`an:
"I created you from one self and from it
its pairs". We are essentially one self, every one of us wants the
same thing. We want harmony, we want love, we want attention, we
want good relationships, we do not want the unknown. If my
responsibility towards my self, which is towards Godliness within
me, is fulfilled then it is likely my responsibility towards the
rest of creation is lighter. Society is only multiplicity of me. So
in order to know 'me', in order to empty out, or to take that
ultimate pilgrimage, an individual must be able to do it by himself
or herself. It is the pilgrimage to Mecca; to go with passion and
love, give up, give in, with total and utter faith; it is a passion.
Having discovered that this so called 'me' is only an outer shadow
of that inner reality that has no time and space, then one is
equipped to come back to this world and serve. It is then that we
need the societal code of conduct. It is then that we need the laws,
the natural laws, that were revealed to prophets. To be generous,
compassionate and to interact correctly, not to be too greedy, not
to interact in a usurious fashion and so on and so forth. In a way,
to exaggerate, to know God, you do not need anything except giving
up everything, but to know mankind and society you need to know a
prophet, you need to adhere to prophetic codes of conduct, otherwise
society will be damaged and ruined and only fit for recycling.
Faith, Love & Action
Q: The Islamic view is that action is a part of faith, a very
important part. God is not merely concerned with a person's beliefs,
valuable though they may be, but also with his or her doings,
especially as they affect other people. Could you comment upon that?
According to the Qur`an, Allah says:
"Allah will hold you
questioned, or you will reap the rewards of what is in your heart".
What is ultimately within the recesses of your heart, you will see
and experience in the world and the hereafter. It implies that your
intentions which also emanate in outer actions are really what you
are making of yourself. Because reality encompasses the seen and the
unseen, you can not separate action from intention. In other words,
your actions, in the long run, are going to indicate your
intentions. If your intentions are genuine, sincere and honorable,
eventually your actions will also be regarded, accepted or
experienced as such. Actions are the visualization of intentions. If
your intention is to share and care with love and understanding even
though it may at first be misunderstood, or the person, to whom you
want to give that love, is too ill to receive it or perhaps will not
accept it, that love will still prevail. Actions are the outer
manifestations of intentions, you are, therefore, in this life
actually building your soul; you are chiseling your soul by your
intentions and actions, you can not separate them. There is a
unitive reality that encompasses it. You can not have intentions of
love and generosity, and yet constantly be causing havoc, damage and
greed; it can not be. Now, we can not question each other on
intentions though, but we can question each other on actions.
According to Islamic law, or outer judgment, we can only be judged
according to the results of what we have done outwardly. We cannot be
questioned on what is in our hearts, that is a matter between you
and God.
However, God's mercy is such that, as I said, ultimately actions and
intentions do show, they are connected anyway. To get back to your
question, does it answer it?
Q: Yes, it does. One of the reasons for asking it is that in some
religions, take the Christian religion, some Christians say that
faith alone is sufficient for salvation. I personally believe that
works are more important, and this seems to be the Islamic
philosophy, too?
You know when they say faith alone is sufficient, I understand by
that, if faith is the primary factor, that is what we, put all our
investment in, if we have that total trust, then faith alone will
eventually also end up being the actions we undertake and which will
be right. Faith alone does not mean cutting up faith from the other
realities that are connected with faith. If I have complete and
utter faith in the mercy of Reality and its total love, then
definitely faith alone is enough, because eventually it will
prevail. But if faith is cut off from its outer visibility, then it
is not faith, then it is a phantom.
Justice
Q: Correct me if I am
wrong, but I believe that in your book [The
Journey of the Self] you say one of the greatest virtues is
justice, do you believe that to be so and why so?
Justice in the original sense of it, as the
Qur`an says or as the
prophetic way was, is based on an Arabic term "adl". "Adl" means to
be in the middle, the medium, the middle of the road, the path of
maximum balance and maximum vision. And this is what we constantly
want, whether we are driving on the road or in any circumstance, we
want to be in the safest lane, not on the extreme of either
deprivation or excess, or immense poverty or superfluous wealth. The
seed of justice is in every heart, in fact, and that is what causes
us to talk about conscience or what gives us bad conscience, or
guilt. There is something within us that somehow guides us, that
says "this is unfair", "this is out of balance", and therefore, we
will all be in imbalance if we adhere to that edge. Justice is an
essential concept in that it is the ultimate and the main attribute
of God. God is just! God is just in this world, but we can
apparently interfere in that justice as human beings, but in the
hereafter there is total justice, in that we will only experience
and be rewarded according to what we have made of our lives. Here it
appears as though there is injustice. God says in the Qur`an:
"Do
not mistake human injustices as God's punishment". It is human
injustice, and if we are intelligent enough, we translate that
circumstance of being subjective to injustice to inner purification,
or inner understanding or whatever. So, we can use every
circumstance to which we are subjected to a betterment, it can be
inner betterment; it can be patience, to learn how to be patient
with that circumstance or abusive environment or abusive and unjust
treatment, or whatever.
A Code of Justice
Q: Does the Islamic religion have a code of justice? Does it provide
some general guidance, or are there some specific codes of justice
that the Muslims must adhere to?
There are general guidance's which are like umbrella-guidance's,
that are acceptable to Reality, that these are the
natural ways. Within them, then, those who are most spiritually
evolved are supposed to bring about transition or temporary laws or
measures. If society is ruled by the philosopher king, or the
spiritually most evolved being, then that being has to adhere to the
Qur`an and to the prophetic way, which is a broad umbrella, such as
for example: Not to own excess, and not to own things or extra
provisions, when there are people close to you who are not able to
fulfill their immediate needs. Equally, for example, on
land-ownership, it tells us you are allowed to use whatever land or
whatever resources your needs justify. Now, those needs must he
real, not fantasies. The philosophical root of this is that no
Muslim is supposed to own a lot of land lie fallow for year after
year. The spiritual leader of that community should take him to task
and revert that land back to those who need it; but if the fellow is
going to need the land next year or the year after, he is given
time. It must be based on justice, otherwise where is the justice in
feudal lordship that we see now in so many Muslim countries, where
people owning thousands of acres, are not able to cultivate the
land, and not even intending to cultivate it when others do not have
anything. Therefore, you find these Muslim governments having to
invent their own laws of land-reform or socialism or whatever. By
doing so, they will bring about another form of oppression, rather
than more benign self-regulating rules that enable society to grow
more organically forward hand in hand, with everybody questioning
each other's situation in a natural way. Justice permeates all the
way down to the day to day life. For example, as you know, a Muslim
is prohibited from drinking alcohol because it is an intoxicant and
has side-effects; yet, if the so-called Muslim drinks in a quiet,
subdued secret way, you and I are not allowed to interfere according
to the spiritual leader; he will not accept our evidence, if we had
spied upon that person. It does not allow us to spy upon another
person who is intoxicating himself alone, because he is at least not
causing damage to society, or in a sense enticing others for things
that, in the long run, can be abusive and could cause troubles. So,
there are these broad umbrella-rules and laws, but within them there
are leeway's. Circumstantial situations may cause the ongoing
leadership to make certain modifications within them; you cannot go
beyond them. You cannot make usury acceptable, according to Islam
you cannot accept usury, no matter how.
Restriction & Freedom
Q: There are some non-Muslims who consider Islam to be somewhat
restrictive, but the Qur`an indicates that the individual is given
the freedom, a great deal of freedom, particularly to follow the
path of wholesomeness. Can you tell us what that path of
wholesomeness would imply?
Path of wholesomeness implies outer restriction; there are outer
limitations, physically we are limited, in fact we have a peak in
our physical performance during our thirties and forties and then we
begin to decline. It is a natural restriction as to how much time or
life we have, or in how many places we can sleep, or how much we can
eat. So there are natural limitations. Inwardly there is no
limitation to our state. The path of wholesomeness is to recognize
natural outer restrictions and accept them because they are the
natural laws. If you are abusive, in the long run, you will also be
abused. If you are greedy, you become a model of greed, then that
society or that community you live in is going to go on its rampage,
and so on. Wholesomeness consists of the outer restrictions, bounds
and courtesies. Inwardly we can be unrestricted depending on the
extent of our inner freedom, inner non-attachment and the condition
of our hearts.
The Christian Trinity
Q: Muslims accept Jesus as a great prophet, but not as the son of
God. Can you tell us why Muslims do not accept Jesus as the son of
God?
According to the Qur`an and the prophetic teaching God is that
Reality that transcends all other realities and all other existences
and there is nothing like Him. From that definition we can say that
everything emanates from God, is caused by God, but it is not the
situation of father and son relationship. In a sense God is the
father of all creation, but He is not a father in the existential
sense of fatherliness; He is the source from which everything has
emanated. And Jesus is a prophet, he is a being who reflected total
godliness and total God-knowledge, and he was the most unusual of
all prophets in that he came from an immaculate conception; and
incidentally there are more references about Jesus in the Qur`an
than about Mohammed. He is a reflector of God, he is a true
manifestation of divine possibility within the human frame.
The Prophets of Islam
Q: There are many Christians who do not really know that the Muslims
hold Jesus in such high esteem and refer to him with such great
respect. This is unfortunate. There are many who do not know that
the Muslims accept certain books from the Bible, as being the
revealed word of God. In the matter of the teachings of Jesus are
most Muslims aware of some of the sayings and teachings of Jesus?
There is a large body of traditions that is acceptable truth within
Islam, one is the teaching of Jesus. However, there are some on
which doubt has been cast. For example, we consider Jesus to be
infallible; we consider all prophets to be infallible. We can not
accept prophets who have exercised certain behavior that is far
from being normally accepted of the human behavior. We consider
these as either misrepresentation or freaks that have occurred in
those traditions. We hold Jesus, Moses and all the other prophets in
the highest esteem, but most of all of course Moses and Jesus,
because Islam is a continuation of that cultural or that part of the
world civilization. As a result we have a great deal of the Judaic
teachings as totally acceptable within the Islamic teaching.
Islam -- A Choice Today
Q: Does Islam provide solutions to world problems today, and if so,
why are Muslims suffering and struggling more than people of other
nations and religions?
Allah has not created this existence for us to suffer. Suffering is
that which is to be avoided in this existence. So, it is a natural
way for us wanting to avoid suffering on a personal scale, on a
collective scale and on a mankind scale. If we are suffering it
means that we have transgressed natural laws. It is not intended for
us collectively to behave as we do. How this suffering has come
about is something which can be analyzed easily historically and
seen as cause and effect. We may still want to keep on, because we
say we are not willing to give up whatever it is that we have to